Officers Shot in Santa Cruz- Updated

Briefly: This afternoon, in my town of Santa Cruz,  close to where I live, two police officer were shot to death apparently by a suspect they were investigating. The suspect was himself killed shortly afterwards.. There seems to be no one else involved.

Update three days later:

The presumed killer (99% sure, I would say), was an employee of my favorite coffee shop at the harbor. He was a young Marine and Army  veteran but one would had not been  either to Iraq or to Afghanistan. This is a bit strange because he was a qualified helicopter pilot. Did someone notice something  about that guy in the Marines or in the Army to keep him out of combat and said nothing? I would bet 60/40 the answer is yes.

I asked the manager at my coffee shop  who hired him: Didn’t you think strange that someone qualified to fly a helicopter wanted a job that any smart high-school girl can do? He said it happens all the time.People with high qualifications want a simple job because they wish to simplify their lives. Incidentally, the presumed killer did  not use an assault weapon (whatever that is) nor any of the weapons that are up for banning discussion. His handguns appear at this point to have been legally registered. It seems it was his mind that wasn’t registered.

Santa Cruz attracts different kinds of unconventional people. We are slow to criticize or to pass judgment. We are entirely too tolerant of illegal substances that are known to be dangerous, metamphetamines to begin with. We pay a price for our open-mindedness. That’s to be expected.  (I am not suggesting that meths were involved in the killing of those two police officers. The guy who killed them was being investigated for a non-violent sexual felony.)

The policewoman who was murdered  looked familiar. It turns out I had two different interactions with her in the past (neutral ones). This is a small town. Those three deaths will reverberate among us for a while.

Does anyone think this sad event compels me to get rid of my guns?

About Jacques Delacroix

I write short stories, current events comments, and sociopolitical essays, mostly in English, some in French. There are other people with the same first name and same last name on the Internet. I am the one who put up on Amazon in 2014: "I Used to Be French: an Immature Autobiography" and also: "Les pumas de grande-banlieue." To my knowledge, I am the only Jacques Delacroix with American and English scholarly publications. In a previous life, I was a teacher and a scholar in Organizational Theory and in the Sociology of Economic Development. (Go ahead, Google me!) I live in the People’s Green Socialist Republic of Santa Cruz, California.
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34 Responses to Officers Shot in Santa Cruz- Updated

  1. Bruce says:

    On the contrary, it should compel you to readiness. I also doubt that any of the Left’s gun grabbing proposals would have prevented this tragedy, but they will stretch logic and reason to use it as an example.
    I think the more good people who own and are properly trained to use weapons to defend themselves the better. Training is especially important. Feeling comfortable about what your actions will be when the stars line up can make all the difference. The bad guy usually has the edge here, he generally knows what he’s going to do. That is why training is so vital. You need to shave as many seconds off your response time as possible. Include your wife in the training. You might be amazed how well they take to it. Here is one technique I might recommend. First, unload your weapon. Then have someone else verify that your weapon is unloaded. Second, have another person create a threat scenario where you need to use your weapon. Third, go through the motions of using your weapon. Fourth, debrief what your actions were and notice how long it took you to answer the threat. Have the other person create several scenarios and work through them. Home invasion, assault while leaving your home and going to your car, robbery at the beach, someone with road rage. Walk through what your actions will likely be and get your mind wired to respond so it’s not a completely new experience. The next thing to do is go to the range and get comfortable firing your weapon. Don’t be reluctant to get help from an experienced guy who knows how to teach. Get to the point where you can put as many rounds on target in as short a period of time possible. Exercise extreme caution and slowly draw your weapon from a concealed position to the target. Practice until it becomes almost second nature. Remember, in times of great stress and life threatening situations, you will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training. I know you’re a powerfully built man, but that is not enough in a gun fight. It’s also true that in most cases, the first round on target wins. I’m not sure what caliber weapon you own. There are a vast variety of excellent choices that are easily concealable and effective. Life is too short to buy a cheap weapon, get a solid piece. Sig Sauer, Colt, S&W, Ruger, H&K, Walther. California is tough on concealed carry permits I’m guessing. I would rather be judged by twelve persons than carried by six. You will never be completely prepared to defend yourself, but with some solid training, you can be closer to protecting yourself and loved ones and your property.
    A short anecdote. I had been all over the world in some pretty dangerous places and made it through some sticky business where losing was not an option. After I retired from the Navy, I’m working for the railroad sitting in my car in Gary, Indiana. A group of kids walks past my car from the rear. I did not see them until they were next to me, and they continued on past. I thought, how ironic would it be to have survived a full military combat career only to be blown away by a teenager in Indiana. I was carrying the next day.

  2. Bruce: All good thoughtful advice. Give more: One, I think handguns are especially expensive now because of recent events. What do do to around this problem now or soon? Second, I keep not understanding the conceal and carry issue because I would like to not (NOT) conceal and carry. Where do I get the info about this?

    • Bruce says:

      You’re exactly right about gun prices going up. There has been a feeding frenzy on both weapons and ammunition. I went to a couple of places here in north Florida and the shelves were nearly bare of ammo and there were fewer handguns in the cases. My guess is that the hysteria will blow over and prices and availability will return to normal. That is, if the Department of Homeland Security stops buying all the ammo. I recommend going to a gun show. It’s fun even if you don’t buy anything. I would ask around at a gun store if you can find one and see when the next show is nearby. Here is a possible website for California gun shows:
      http://www.gunshows-usa.com/california.shtml
      This looked like a good website for concealed carry questions in California:
      http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/
      I think the best source would be the local police since they would be the ones that would have to sign off on your permit. I would just go down there and ask about the local rules. A couple of my friends are cops and they will be the first to tell you need to protect yourself until they can get there.
      As far as purchasing a weapon goes you might try going to an indoor pistol range and talking with the staff there. I think there is a lot to be said for buying a used handgun. Only on rare occasions will you find they have been fired much. Some have never been fired. You can save some real money here. I really like the Sig Sauer P220 Compact .45 ACP and think you would enjoy this platform. As for rifles, I like the Sig 556 in any of it’s variations. I have the Sig 556 SBR, it’s the short barrel version and takes a Class III weapons permit/tax stamp to own. Of course, Joe Biden is correct about shotguns. Not how to deploy them though. Imagine telling your wife to go out on the balcony and fire two blasts to ward off an intruder! Now the gun is empty and she has given her position away for starters. Anyway, shotguns are cheap and very effective. Also don’t forget the big can of wasp spray that will send a solid stream of chemical 20 feet or more and take care of business. A highly effective and non-lethal alternative.

  3. David says:

    If my memory serves me correctly, it isn’t generally permissible to open carry any weapon without a permit in the state of CA. Hell, I’m pretty sure you’re not legally allowed to open carry any weapon for any reason. (something about creating a panic in the general population, i think.) (I only vaguely remember this because I wanted to carry around a katana and did some research a short number of years ago.) Of course I could’ve been looking at the wrong resources or my memory is already failing me. I’m open to correction, as I’m not an expert.

    Here is another effort to answer the same question: because the great state of CA says so, for your own protection!

    • Well, thank you, David. Your lack of precise knowledge echoes mine! Of course, I don’t believe there is such a thing as “permissible.” A behavior is legal or it is not. There is nothing in between . The legal principle that prevails in American until now is this : That which is not illegal is legal.

      For a behavior to be illegal, there is a prescribed process and eventually court scrutiny. There is no other way

      It’s the other guys that are trying to spread fog on such clarity. They would have us believe that legality is more or less like politeness: You have to be nice!

      • David says:

        From the reading I’ve done since last night, it appears that open carry is illegal in the state of CA except in some unincorporated areas of some counties. Even so you can’t carry a loaded gun. (Kind of defeats the purpose of carrying an unloaded gun for the purpose of defense; I doubt an attacker or animal is going to wait and let you load the weapon before inflicting pain.) You are permitted to carry a concealed weapon if you can get a permit, which is an arduous and uncertain process. Even then, you can’t carry a loaded weapon. (Again defeating the purpose of carrying a weapon.) When you are permitted to carry a weapon, often times (not always) you are required to carry the ammo and weapon in separate cases. (I’m sure that gun will fire itself!) From what I can tell the state of CA has made carrying a gun an onerous and almost useless task, unless you are hunting or going to the shooting range. I would argue that the state is violating the spirit (if not the letter) of the second amendment. I would also bet I would lose in the Court system here in CA. It seems that the primary method of defense the state would like us to have (until the police arrive of course!) is to run and blow a whistle. Maybe Kitty Genovese ought to have tried that when she got repeatedly attacked and subsequently died of the injuries she sustained.

        What point is there in having a second amendment if one isn’t able to actually carry a loaded weapon for self defense? Or, in my case, a sheathed sword? (No reload time, lacks range, but more helpful in close quarters, in my humble opinion.)

      • No, no, David: Blowing a whistle is too aggressive!

  4. Brian says:

    Open Carry of pistols was banned beginning January 2012. Supposedly, if you have a Concealed Carry Weapons permit, you may also open carry a handgun. I was under the impression that Open Carry of rifles had subsequently been banned, but shotguns were still permitted.

    I looked at OpenCarry.org as well as some other sites. I was unable to find corroborating information.

    Since the Newtown shooting, both ammo and arms have been near impossible to find at reasonable prices. The DHS and other Federal agencies have been purchasing large quantities of ammo with limited rational explanations for them. Shooters are worried that the Federal and State Governments are going to enact or toughen gun and ammunition prohibitions.

    If you have any questions regarding firearms or have any interest in going shooting, fell free to email me. If I do not know the answer, I will find out. If you’d like to go to the range, I’m happy to set that up.

    Markley’s in Watsonville is a good local indoor range. I train with several private companies that conduct class at the Metcalf Range in Morgan Hill. Personally, I live 3 blocks off of dowtown SC.

    • Thanks, Brian. Open carry banned by whom or what? Tell us more. (Frankly, I find it difficult to believe that such a big violation of the Second Amendment would take place without my noticing.) Thanks for the rest of the info.

      • Brian says:

        The law banning open carry of pistols went through in October of 2011, with an effective date of January 1, 2012.

        http://tinyurl.com/d9q36ex

        I am still unable to find any articles regarding the banning of open carry of rifles at this time.

  5. What drug was he on? From mass murders preceding Columbine to cop killer Bonner, all these criminals had a history of taking prescription drugs the side effects of which have apparently not been fully evaluated.

  6. Rogue Cop Christopher Dorner and Prescription Psychotropic Medications
    By Charles Gant, MD

    With the Christopher Dorner case, the role of prescription psychotropic drugs in mass killings has again come to the forefront. Numerous articles have approached the role of so-called “psych meds” in causing depraved and indifferent violent behavior, but one in particular deserves attention because it highlights the fact that among psychiatric professionals there is no coherent understanding of what needs to be done after we take people off of drugs that are prescribed for their psychiatric illnesses.

    The article — Jon Rappoport’s “Is Christopher Dorner Another Psychiatric Killer?” — makes a number of important points about the former Los Angeles police officer’s mental health. Dorner had been treated for severe depression since 2008, and Rappoport correctly proposes that the drugs Dorner was prescribed to treat his depression were almost certainly among the causes of his seeking violent revenge against members of the Los Angeles Police Department

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/rogue_cop_christopher_dorner_and_prescription_psychotropic_medications.html#ixzz2MWme9M5a
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    • Brian says:

      I have a patient at work who really appreciates the services I provide. So much so that he brings me actual rocks to each visit.

      In his mind and on his planet, he is giving me “platinum & gold.”

      I truly appreciate these gifts, They’re kinda sweet, in that he is giving me something that in his mind is a precious commodity. Something of extreme value in exchange for medical services.

      On our planet and in this reality, they are rocks.

      A lot of the time, crazy people are just crazy. It is not their medications, the man, or society. It is THEM.

      • Brian: Please. tell us more about yourself, your professional activity.

      • Brian says:

        This is a reply to Jacques’ comment posted March 4, 2013 at 8:27 am
        ——–
        I am a mid-level practitioner (Nurse Practitioner / Physician Assistant) who works in general medicine.

        If you are not familiar with midlevels, we perform many of the same functions as MDs & DOs within a specific framework that the Supervising Medical Staff set up.

        We typically see the coughs, colds, rashes, cuts, bumps, bruises … bread & butter medicine. Depending on the midlevel’s experience and the Supervising Medical Staff’s comfort, the midlevel may see more difficult cases.

    • Terry Amburgey says:

      Your source is a blog post. If I can convince Jacques to wite a post here claiming that mass murderers have a history of eating apples can I cite it as evidence?

      • Terry: Please indicate to which comment you are replying.

        I would be glad to write such a post as you describe, of course.

      • Terry Amburgey says:

        Sorry Jacques. I was replying to the post by Helen E. Kagan where she sources a blog post as evidence that psychiatric drugs are a cause of mass murders. While I’m not as stringent as you about sources [i.e. double blind peer reviewed journal articles] the internet is too full of nutcases to accept a blog post as meaningful.

  7. I hope we are not discussing all crazy people here, and how they happen to be crazy. We are talking about those who explode in acts of violence and take several lives along with theirs, as in recent cases of massacres.. The gentle soul who cannot distinguish ordinary rocks from precious metal used to be seen, (as depicted in some of the old literature and before the days of ubiquitous chemical psychiatric treatment), as someone eccentric, not a potentially dangerous character. There is definite evidence that the type of behavior leading to mass murder that we are witnessing today is linked to the ingestion of prescribed anti-depressant drugs. I – and many others – think this phenomenon deserves investigation.

    • Brian says:

      Helen, you are the one who made the blanket statement, “… all these criminals …” have taken “psych meds.” You are laying the blame for psychotic outbursts by psychotic people on antipsychotic medications.

      Post hoc ergo propter hoc, as the fancy people say.

      As an aside, my patient who is unable to distinguish between rocks and precious metals *is* on some serious “psych meds” meds. You may think, “Perhaps he doesn’t take his meds …”

      I know for a fact that he *is* at least taking his non-psychiatric medications because I authorized refills on several of his prescriptions last week.

      • Terry Amburgey says:

        @Brian. Less erudite fancy people [i.e. economists] would eagerly point out that the endogeneity between psychiatric problems and taking psychiatric medications makes disentangling effects very, very difficult.

      • As an MD. – details matter indeed in your profession – it would behoove you to notice that my name is “Helene” and not “Helen.” As for the prescribed drugs, “psych meds” and others, there seems to be a number of them — too many? – involved in the case you cite…….You write of authorizing refills for “several” of his prescriptions, not counting the “psych meds?” Maybe even this poor soul is over medicated, we find out….As for the statement you attribute to me, you are completely amiss. 1) I did not invent the concern cited in a medical opinion. I referred to such a concern. There has been a number of comments on this topic in the past few years. 2) Neither the cited opinion nor I have indicated that psychotic people on anti-psychotic medication are subject to psychotic outbursts. I think this is a complete misreading or intentional misrepresentation of the concern I share with other individuals. 3) This concern is becoming so evident these days that the suggestion to investigate the issue simply amounts to stating that there should be the possibility of a reasonable avenue of research; saying so is not an attack on the medical profession , or you personally because you seem to prescribe those drugs to one or more of your patients. 4) Finally, I know of cases where powerful “psych meds” allow individuals to be functional, who, otherwise, would not be. As a psychological anthropologist, I came across two interesting results of research during my training: a) madness seems to have some universal traits; and b) the way madness is acted out follows cultural patterns. So, indeed, culture and society are implicated.

      • Brian says:

        This is a reply to Helene’s comment posted at March 4, 2013 at 11:57 am
        ——–
        Helene (with an e!) … my apologies for not noticing the proper spelling of your name. According to Babycenter.com, the spelling “Helen” is currently three times more common. Simple mistake! Also, please let Terry know as well (since he also changed your last name to that of the newest US Supreme Court Justice.)

        As far as overmedicating my patient, I can only speak to the medications he’s taking that a relevant to the conditions for which our practice is managing. When I mentioned refilling “several” of his meds, I meant TWO. According to M-W.com, that is an acceptable use of the word.

        I also appreciate that you’re simply bringing thing into the conversation, citing sources and such. I also appreciate that you take no ownership of the points you are introducing.

        Please explain this then … you wrote, “Rappoport correctly proposes that the drugs Dorner was prescribed to treat his depression were almost certainly among the causes of his seeking violent revenge against members of the Los Angeles Police Department.” You addition of the word “correctly” makes it seems as though you are agreeing with and supporting the premise of the statement. Would you like to clarify your position?

  8. Terry: How about translating your comment to Brian? You manage to make “endogenous” sound dirty.

  9. Hello Brian: I did not write the words “Rapopport… Police Department.” The words are part of the entire quote I cited .I should have opened up the quote with quotation marks and finished it with quotation marks.. There is a link to the article quoted which verifies that.

    And yes, indeed, another correction is in order. My last name is Hagan and not “Kagan.”

  10. The typo is not innocent. It indicates that Prof. Terry, like many other liberal intellectual,s is obsessed with, has erotic fantasies about the Supreme Court Justice.

  11. Bruce says:

    Looks like California Governor Brown (Moonbeam) banned carrying a rifle in public effective January 1, 2013. Here is the article.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/09/gov-brown-on-banning-open-carrying-of-long-guns-in-california-.html

    Ms Hagan, how our neurotransmitters are firing has a lot to do with our behavior. Stress, neurotoxins, genetics, poor diet, alcohol, drugs, caffine, heck, just about everything in our environment effects them. I do think using selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors like Prozac and all the ADHD meds can have profound effects on mood and behavior and are over-prescribed to a public that demands a fix in a pill. Go for a run, fish, get out on a boat, build a birdhouse, paint, play an instrument, go to a coffee shop and read a paper, go for a walk, volunteer on a homebuilding project, have some beer or wine with your buddy, just get out and doing something is better than swallowing a pill and guessing your “meds are balanced”. Whatever the hell balanced meds means. As an anthropologist, it must be concerning to see what all the pills are doing to our society, but there were mass murderers before these medications too.

  12. I second you on “balanced,” smells of ignorance or witchcraft!

    THanks for the link.

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